In my previous blog post I discussed my continuing emotional turmoil towards the Conservatives.
Now the knee jerk reaction was to challenge again what they had said, but a little time has passed and its enabled me to reconsider, and to question, he pointed out my ignorance, and what if he was right?
(Well you assume he was calling you ignorant, he could have been calling you evil. Ed)
(That’s true, he doesn’t even question the use of the word evil)
(That’s why they win, no self doubt, tough on ignorant left bloggers, and tough on the causes of ignorant left bloggers Ed)
Before we go any further, I think it is essential that we discuss what do we mean by Left and Right wing.
Cue West Wing Clip…
The reason this is essential is that I just naturally assumed all Dictators were right wing and also the aforementioned blogger previous argued that the BNP were left wing!
His argument was backed up by this image from the political compass.
Okay, firstly what is Political Compass?
Our friend Wikipedia says;
‘The political compass is a multi-axis model, used by the website of the same name, to label or organize political thought on two dimensions.’
So Left or Right. Authoritarian or Libertarian.
Sorry that was a distraction, what DO we mean by Right and Left Wing?
The original idea of Left and Right wing, actually comes from the pre-revolutionary French assembly, where the Conservatives sat on the right and the Liberals on the left.
(Also Right means correct and Left actually has a Latin translation meaning Sinister. Ed)
(Thanks for that)
Which actually highlights an issue with the Political compass, but we shall return to that in a second. Let us address the above image which shows us a left wing BNP.
Well if we refer to the Political Compass for UK Compass for UK Political Parties in 2010 you will see something different.
The BNP are firmly on the right!. Left of Labour and the Conservatives sure, but still on the right.
(Which does mean Conservatives ARE more right wing than the BNP Ed)
However this is because Left and Right as referenced to in this diagram is based on an economic approach. With Communism on the far left and Neo-Liberalism on the far right.
(Are you know or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? Ed)
Whereas I would argue, ignorantly and wrongly, that the general understanding of left and right is still based on that historical French model. And in the political compass would be understood by the Up and Down axis of Libertarian and Authoritarian.
If we were to flip the compass so that that axis was Left and Right then we would see that the BNP were now far to the right and the Lib Dems were back on the Left.
(This is pre-coalition obviously Ed)
Who knows what unforeseen effects could occur from moving the Axis so…
So let us accept the Left and Right economic Axis.
Which would mean that historically there have been Dictators, Mass-Murders, who were on the left…
Now I feebly inquired of the blogger whether their could be accidental mass-murder and they clarified that if mass death wasn’t caused by the Left Wing then it was by
instances of unintentional plagues by release of stored diseases or other “exceptions”
So not only have I learned that there was only Left Wing Mass Murderers but that there were no Right Wing Dictators who committed Mass Murder.
(Perhaps they are the ‘exception’ Ed)
(No because it is clearly specified as Left Only)
Where does this leave; Hitler, Franco and Thatcher’s friend Pinochet?
Are we to say that they were Left Wing?
Whilst Franco and Pinochet killed a small amount compared to icons of the T-Shirt wearing Left, Stalin and Mao, they did still kill. Or commit an ‘Exception’
Can we for the sake of clarity at least no longer refer to it as left or right, but Communism and Neo-Liberalism. We do not refer to Libertarians and Authoritarianism as Up and Down.
Something that is worth celebrating is the continued success of the Conservative Party, the Political underdog, in light of a left wing conspiracy of Teachers and Media. Whose Leftist agenda makes our Nations children ignorant.
If only they had the support of a multi-national ultra conservative neo-liberal press baron… Cest La Vie.
Okay let us wrap up with a run down of other gems from the blog post;
their (Brown and Blair) “New Labour’ party is also highly involved with those shadowy organisations (e.g. Bilderberg)
Thanks for clarification that the Conservative Party are in no way linked to the Bilderberg Group.
The State is everything and the individual is nothing
I’ve looked through the Green Party Manifesto and that really isn’t covered, I’m hoping that it will be updated soon.
It does however say
We are demanding the introduction of a ‘Living Wage’. This will help ensure low paid workers earn enough to provide for themselves and their families and eradicate poverty in Britain for good. The Green Party will fight for a National Minimum Wage of 60% of net national average earnings (currently this would mean a minimum wage of £8.10 per hour).
Which I’m assuming is a typo.
The usual three-prong Lefty approach: theft (ever higher taxes, property theft, losses of liberties and rights)
(Presumably Property should be left in the ownership of the Church, Monarchy and other overlords Ed)
Loss of Liberty, again is an interesting one, I’m against National ID cards and detention longer than 48 hours without charge. I’m also against rendition and the torture of suspects.
I will have to check if I am in conflict here with others on the Left, if I am, this could be awkward.
I must end my post there and read no more, as according to the Blog post I only have three options;
1) Live in Ignorance.
2) Become Evil.
3) Become Right Wing.
Feel free to let me know which option you think I should go with.
Confession, I spoke to a Tory, and I liked it. in the moment we seemed to get along, they were friendly, funny and I was so glad that they took time time to speak to me, a lowly prol.
And the confusing thing for me in dealing with this is that;
Conservatives are Evil
(Are they actually Evil? Ed )
(Saying quite possibly evil doesn’t seem nearly as provocative!)
(So you are going for provocative rather then rational debate? Ed)
(Well seems better then cowardly inserting a fictional debate with a fictional editor over the use of the word)
(Valid point Ed)
And a conversation with a Tory is akin to talking to Kaa in Jungle Book.
Now I don’t mean this to be offensive. No really I don’t. Individually Tories are as I mentioned friendly. They can be caring and passionate. And the people that vote Tory are certainly not evil.
Except for any that you know maybe are.
Wait what do we even mean by Evil?
Online Dictionary Definition: morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked
They have an incredible way to stick fast to what they believe, to phrase points and use information as if their answer was the only possible answer, in a way that New Labour can only dream. Well with the exception of ‘The Big Society’ which it seems can’t be got across at all. Well in any way other than, we want to cut everything and than expect you to do it for free Like the ‘Well-unfair’ state.
A former Conservative Councillor in Medway in a recent blog about the local Love Music Hate Racism event wrote.
It would be good to have a genuinely valuable topic for such events one day, such as “Love Music, Hate Mass-Murder” – but that wouldn’t be comfortable for Lefties, who collectively the world over encompass virtually all those who have committed deliberate mass-murder down the years. Still, at least it would have some real signifiance rather than mere tokenism. It’s a thought!
Its an interesting quote in that it makes you stop and go, what? I find it so hard to respond to. I feel my brain shutting down trying to find a suitable response, a polite response. I just stare at it.
Lefties, who collectively the world over encompass virtually all those who have committed deliberate mass-murder
Can somebody commit accidental mass-murder? is the best response I have so far come up with. and that’s just rubbish.
It’s a bit like oft used Basil Fawlty line about ‘don’t mention the war’. As long as we stay off certain topics then everything will be okay.
I find this continually confusing, how can a Party with Boris Johnson be all bad? Once a contender for great living Englishman. Based on Hair, cycling and a spectacular performance presenting HIGNFY.
I worry that we are not given enough training in the defence against these dark arts. It’s dangerous to dismiss them, they are after all are in power locally and nationally. Somebody, a lot of somebodies have voted for them.
And it seems the power of rational thought might not be strong enough to save me from them.
A Local Elections Blog Post, by a new Labour Councillor could not go without comment.
As much as I don’t want this blog to be a constant rebuke to things that other party members say, sometimes it is needed to raise the level of debate in these towns.
In it is said;
Despite the protestations by those on the left; if the Green Party or this TUSC band of lunatics, we would have been able to dent the Tory majority. This point is stressed every single time – if you split the left vote with fringe parties (and lets be frank they are not a realistic prospect of being in government, and even less so with no AV) then you open the field up to the right. Fact.
I’m not indifferent to the situation. I was inclined to only reply to this with a West Wing clip, which makes the point I would like to make marvelously, though you have to wait till the end of the clip.
However, I couldn’t just leave it there, for one simple reason.
The blogger in question had used that at the end, and by the rules of intellectualism had won the point. The only thing they could have done to make a stronger point would have been to put “QED” at the end of the sentence. Now I don’t fully understand this, but a housemate used it all the time at Uni, and he got his way a lot.
There are two points, firstly the admission that the voting system is unfair under FPTP (which favours a two party system) compared to what it would be under AV, or heaven forbid Proportional Representation
Secondly is the idea that the Green Party should stand aside for the Labour Party. This implies that the voters like sheep would automatically vote Labour which they wouldn’t. Also I could not in good conscience support a local party which refuses to apologies, on any level, for the New Labour Government.
If I concede that good things happened under New Labour, will they concede that bad things did to? Or will the very attempt cause them to go into mental breakdown?
Thirdly, they should look at the large percentage of people who don’t vote in Medway and ask themselves what they did to encourage/discourage higher turnout.
I am reminded of a ballot paper in the second By-Election where the voter had written no in every candidates box. Except Mine. Except for the Green Party.
How could I stand aside in my Ward for two Labour representatives, one who in his acceptance speech upon becoming Councillor stated regarding his Conservative opponent
we agree on a great many things
Labour members continue to assume they have a right to be the party of opposition, whilst siding with the Conservatives on issues and ignoring the growth of a party which now has an MP and successful councillors in Brighton and Norwich.
The Brighton Politics blogger, in his Post ‘Labour is no closer than ever to understanding how to respond to the Greens’ talks about how Labour have rejected a coalition with the Brighton Green Party.
There is no way that Labour will come anywhere near taking control next time. The next locals are likely to take place on the same day as the general election in 2015. Caroline Lucas will be re-elected with a thumping majority, with Labour coming in a distant third.
They go on to state that Labour have misled the public twice in recent Elections and that Brighton Labour activists are blinded to reality.
Labour’s obsessive attacks on Caroline Lucas make the party look like bad losers, and many people are delighted that the City has produced the first Green MP.
Can we one day expect as has occured in other areas, a Labour campaign of;
Vote Green get Tories.
All I know for certain is that in the first By-Election I stood in
I beat the BNP
And they didn’t stand in the second.
Come the next election, should the opportunity arise I will most likely stand again, and I will definitely support any member of the Green Party that stands also. As I can not support a party which assumes to much and concedes nothing. More importantly, I shouldn’t force the people that voted for me or the Green Party to do it either. QED.
I don’t come from a political background, my parents weren’t particularly politically minded, wasn’t part of a conversation that I grew up with.
My development as an armchair activist, came from reading really, exposure to things like the Mark Thomas Comedy Product
and well, yeah watching the West Wing.
I read and I questioned and I created my own political leanings. Didn’t I?
Did I watch and read this stuff because I’m a socialist liberal or am I a Socialist Liberal because I read these things?
I remember the Daily Mail has a really good TV guide, and felt bad even reading that part of the paper.
I’m fairly certain I voted in every General Election. Being eligible to vote in 1997 I assume I voted Labour and looking back I am glad to have done so. Turning my vote to the Liberal democrats as issues like Civil Liberties became a greater issue.
There was no clear epiphany moment. I didn’t study politics at school, not sure it was an option. I went to Bournemouth University, not exactly a political hotbed. I didn’t march.
Can I blame it on the movie Taking Liberties?
The answer is I can no longer remember and will continue with this blog, and in conversation to develop these ideas, maybe even change my mind.